Rethinking the Rays Hines Proposal for the Gas Plant.
A $2.4 Billion Error.
We love baseball...but the deal is not fair to taxpayers.
We want a fair deal for everyone.
Proposed Deal - Unfair to Taxpayers
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Rays Rent the Stadium for Free ($0 dollars).
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City and County Pay for Half the Stadium - Rays Keep All the Revenue.
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Rays Don't Share Profits if the Team is Sold.
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Rays/Hines Buy the 64 Acres Below Value.
A Fair Deal for Taxpayers
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Rays Pay Rent Equal to Lost Real Estate Taxes.
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Rays Split Revenue.
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Rays Split the Profits if the Team is Sold.
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Rays/Hines Buy the 64 Acres for Fair Value.
Dealmaker 101: From an Insider.
What's the Debate About?
The Tampa Bay Rays baseball team currently plays in Tropicana Field on the 86-acre Gas Plant property, with the balance of the land used for parking. St. Petersburg is considering a proposal from the Tampa Bay Rays and Hines, a real estate development company, to redevelop the property - replacing the existing Tropicana Field baseball stadium with a new stadium on about 22 acres, and developing the balance of the 64 acres with housing, offices, parking garages for the stadium, and other uses.
What's this proposal going to cost the residents of St. Petersburg and Pinellas County?
A staggering $2.4 billion in taxpayer resources.
Here's how the current Rays Hines proposal breaks down....
$704 million in St. Pete's cost to borrow its share of stadium and infrastructure cost.
The Rays will keep all revenue from the stadium (except $1 million/year to the county).
$411 million in lost value of 30 years real estate taxes. The Rays do not want to pay real estate taxes.
$543 million with St. Pete selling the 64 acres to Rays/Hines for $543 million under market value.
$587 million in the County's cost to borrow its share of stadium cost.
$222 million in lost real estate taxes.
As Quoted In...
Read: St. Pete’s Proposed Rays Stadium Deal is a Strikeout for the City; our perspective recently published by The Tampa Bay Times
Read: The Rays stadium deal draws strong reactions from Tampa Bay residents | Letters, a compilation of letters to the editor written to the Tampa Bay Times
Read: Op-Ed When it comes to a new baseball stadium, St. Pete City Council should tell the Rays to pay their fair share, Creative Loafing Tampa
About Us
No Home Run represents committed Pinellas County citizens challenging the Rays Hines stadium proposal. We're not baseball haters or against professional sports in St. Petersburg. Individually, we represent retirees and members of every profession. We have NO SKIN in the game --- except, that we want the best for the community that we love - and live, work, and play.
We are St. Pete!
What experts are saying...
Comments from major developers working in St. Petersburg, major commercial brokers, and community leaders:
The demographics are strong enough to successfully develop the property without a stadium.
I think the city knows it but has tied their reputation to the Rays - no matter the facts
Interest in the property would not be less without a stadium. There is plenty of interest
Stadiums are boondoggles
There were developers who submitted proposals without a stadium, and they all said this is a better alternative for the property.
One of the worst sports deals ever done.
It’s the vitality of the area that is the anchor
It is the walkable communities nearby that make the property a success.
What is the Rays' current financial situation – to be able to assess their need for city and county support?
"The details of the city’s financing plan are murky at best. But whatever sources they use in the end, which adds up to around $1.66 billion, the city taxpayer is getting soaked. They are paying a lion's share of the deal while the Rays have a cakewalk."
"The city has given up almost all revenue to the Rays so that the Rays can pay their debt service costs but the city must reach deep into its pocket. The city has given up operating revenue from ticket sales, parking and naming rights to the Rays in addition to real estate giveaways and paying for all the infrastructure ($130 million). Incredible deal for the Rays."
"The real estate offsets for community benefits, greenspace, affordable housing, Booker Creek and demolition are absurd. The city is paying for all of this, not the developer, which is like ignoring who is making the money and turns community benefits on its head."
The stadium deal is a money pit and quite frankly, I'm a lot less worried about the name that we assigned to the pit that we throw public funds down.
